{"id":3492,"date":"2018-04-02T23:10:45","date_gmt":"2018-04-03T03:10:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/therosenbaumlawfirm.com\/blog\/?p=3492"},"modified":"2018-04-02T23:10:45","modified_gmt":"2018-04-03T03:10:45","slug":"the-issue-with-403b-plans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/therosenbaumlawfirm.com\/blog\/?p=3492","title":{"rendered":"The issue with 403(b) plans"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"s4\"><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">I always say that as bad as 401(k) plans may be, 403(b) plans are in much worse shape. It didn\u2019t help that the Internal Revenue Service only issued regulations that governed them only 30 years too late, back in 2008. It also doesn\u2019t help that still many 403(b) plans (such as those that offer deferral contributions only) and governmental plans aren\u2019t subject to the Department of Labor\u2019s oversight under ERISA.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"s4\"><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">While many like the idea of retirement plans that aren\u2019t subject to the provisions of ERISA, it\u2019s needed. Good retirement plan regulation by the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Labor have helped the rights of plan participants, as well as lowering plan expenses.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"s4\"><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">403(b) plans not subject to ERISA are governmental plans and plans where the non-profit employer has absolutely no fiduciary control of the Plan. From experience, plans not subject to ERISA are costlier and are poorly run. Heck, up until those regulations, they didn\u2019t need to have a written plan document.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"s4\"><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">One of the biggest problems with non-ERISA 403(b) plans where there are multiple plan providers. For example, a school district may offer 5-6 different plan custodians who may be an expensive insurance company or a low fee mutual fund company. The problem is that while everyone loves choice, too much choice drives up cost because a plan custodian\/ investment provider isn\u2019t going to offer the best pricing if they have to compete against other providers in each school district. I know because I worked for a union that wanted to offer its own 403(b) option to plan members, but the low fee plan providers exited stage left when they discovered they had to compete against 5-6 providers in every school district in a state with over 750 school districts.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">403(b) plans that are not subject to ERISA are like the old days of the Wild, Wild West because where there are no rules, outlaws run rampant and the outlaws in the 403(b) space are plan providers charging 200 to 300 basis points in an environment that allows it.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"s3\"><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">My two cents is that 403(b) plan would be in better shape if they were all subject to ERISA and Department of Labor (DOL) oversight. \u00a0I won\u2019t be surprised if th<\/span><\/span><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">e DOL will try to regulate the plan <\/span><\/span><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">from the <\/span><\/span><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">current <\/span><\/span><span class=\"s2\"><span class=\"bumpedFont15\">Wild, Wild, West.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class='st_sharethis' st_title='{title}' st_url='{url}' displayText='ShareThis'><\/span><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I always say that as bad as 401(k) plans may be, 403(b) plans are in much worse shape. 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